Stephanie Grisham: ‘I believe that I was part of something unusually evil’

by Susan Ryant

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Stephanie Grisham’s book, I’ll Take Your Questions, came out on Tuesday. We’ve been talking about the excerpts for a few weeks, none of which have been shocking, but the excerpts have been newsworthy in their own way. After the glut of Trump-insider tell-alls, I feel like most political-minded people are just kind of burned out on all things Trump. I will give credit to Grisham for one thing: she’s not actually trying to whitewash her motives or pretend that she didn’t understand how evil the Trumps were at the time. She always knew, and she speaks pretty plainly about all of it. Grisham has a new profile in NY Magazine – you can read the full piece here. Some highlights:

She knows everyone hates her. “I feel like one of the most hated people in the country. The right hates me. They really hate me now. And the left is never going to come around. I have no illusions that people are going to be like, ‘Oh, you’re so brave.’”

Quick gossip: She discloses how, at the G20 in Osaka, the president told Vladimir Putin he would be acting “a little tougher” on him “for the cameras, and after they leave, we’ll talk.” How Fiona Hill observed that Putin brought an attractive female translator to their meeting, likely as a means to distract the president (and it worked). How the president asked her then-boyfriend how she was in bed. How he ordered her to tell a political ally in Arizona to stop wearing sleeveless clothing because he thought her arms were unsightly. How he underwent a colonoscopy without anesthesia to prevent Mike Pence from being in charge for even an hour. How Jared and Ivanka were dubbed “the interns” by White House colleagues who thought they were incompetent and entitled. How the president called Grisham from his Air Force One cabin to instruct her to defend the size of his anatomy after Stormy Daniels claimed he was penilely deficient. How obsessed he was with Sunset Boulevard.

She feels guilty: “I was weighing the fact that I myself had said so many nasty things about people who had written books. I was weighing my own loyalty, because even though I resigned, I still am to this day —I feel guilty because I was so entrenched with them. They were a huge part of my life for a really long time, and I gave up a lot to work for both of them, and I really believed in them, and I don’t think you just shut all that off overnight. I’m not a cyborg.”

Why she liked Donald Trump: “When he first started, I loved the stuff he said. I loved that he wasn’t worried about talking points. He just said what was on his mind. The way I saw people react made me excited. Like, The Republican Party can be exciting again, and we can have this new, fresh way of doing things. Maybe it won’t be all these old white men telling women what to do with their bodies… But at least he was refreshing. And behind the scenes, the man can be charming, he can be funny.”

So why did she write this book? “If I was going to write the book, I wanted to be really honest and not make myself out to be some hero. I hate when people do that. Even if you hate me, I hope some of the things in my book make you rethink 2024. If he runs and wins, he won’t have to worry about reelection this time and he can do whatever he wants. That’s scary.”

Something unusually evil: “I don’t think I can rebrand. I think this will follow me forever. I believe that I was part of something unusually evil, and I hope that it was a one-time lesson for our country and that I can be a part of making sure that at least that evil doesn’t come back now.”

[From NY Magazine]

I don’t admire her or like her or think she’s a good person. Stephanie Grisham seems really stupid, actually. But I will say that I actually appreciate the fact that she called it “something unusually evil.” I appreciate the fact that she’s worried about 2024, that she’s worried about a Trump comeback. Because all of this WAS evil, amoral, venal and repulsive. I still shudder to think how easily it happened, how many people went along with it, how many people said nothing, or worse, vocally supported it. Violently supported it.

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